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Top 5 Dating Coaches of 2006

1.07.2007

posted by Donovan at 9:47 AM

It's been a very controversial voting but I have calculated your votes (there was 1100+), I have researched the Top 5 most popular, and here are the...

Top Dating Coaches of 2006

The Results

1. Juggler
2. Neil Strauss
3. David Deangelo
4. Stephen Nash
5. Mystery

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Juggler's natural game, and Seduction School pilot helped him seal the deal this year.

Juggler (Wayne Elise)

Wayne Elise

Wayne Elise is an old-timer within the seduction community. He was the first to start teaching infield workshops back in 1999(?). His game is most based on natural, comfort building conversations. His Seduction School pilot in the UK topped ratings, and helped his business explode.

Learn more about Wayne Elise with his brief profile on my site here.

2. Neil Strauss

Neil Strauss

Neil Strauss helped the community reach popularity in October of 2005 with the book "The Game". His techniques mirror Mystery's and he was a leader in the community for several years. In mid-2006, he released the Annihilation Method, a DVD collection of his own teachings.

Read my interview with Neil Strauss here.

3. David Deangelo

David Deangelo

David Deangelo is one of the longest running "community" dating coaches around. His techniques have earned him the praise of thousands, and his masculine identity products help guys overcome their "wussyness".

Learn more about David Deangelo with a brief profile on my site here.

4. Stephen Nash (PlayboyLA)

Stephen Nash was a resident of Project Hollywood, and former RSD instructor. He left the "game" several years ago - accomplishing all that the community could offer him. After leaving the game, he formed Cutting Edge Image Consulting. Stephen takes the best parts of "pickup" and teaches men how to develop a strong identity, charismatic social skills, and most importantly an attractive and fulfilling lifestyle, which he ultimately believes leads to much higher success than "pickup" could ever offer. (On a side-note, I took one-on-one coaching from Stephen, and it was a life changing session)

Read my interview with Stephen Nash on my blog here, or visit his new website here.

5. Mystery

Eric von Markovich

Mystery is probably one of the world's leading pickup artists. This year was fairly uneventful for him as a dating coach, however the Mystery Method has been more widely adopted than ever before. His terms are now standard. With his separation from the Mystery Method company, this year will probably see Eric more in the community spotlight with new innovations.

Read more about the Mystery Method here.

That's it for this year! It promises to be excellent!
Donovan

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donovan,

Well done. I like that you actually let the "public" decide, and did not base your ranking on your personal business, friendship and other interests ;-)

Regarding your comment about Mystery, is this official? Obviously there were rumours, but I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere else.

Cobra

5:05 PM, January 07, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent.

Who is the top-ranked coach in Chicago?

8:01 PM, January 07, 2007  
Blogger Donovan said...

I had lunch with Dr Paul in Chicago, he is on another level from alot of dating coaches out there. PhD, so he knows what he's doing.

http://www.doctorpaul.net

8:03 PM, January 07, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donovan,
Mystery's seperation from the Mystery Method company???

not to turn this into too much of a gossip spot - but i'd like to hear more on that. stating with "how is that possible?"

Sting

6:18 AM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juggler? The reason you guys like Juggler is because he makes seduction sound easy in is elementary book. Wait, maybe he wrote two elementary books. Pathetic. The guy NEVER SARGES, and he's not a bad looking guy. I've never heard Juggler tell a story about getting laid, or actually picking a woman up to the full close. He's just this guy that fell into this business because of Neil Strauss. Now he is capitalizing on this by charging way to much money teaching people almost nothing in his seminars that are not even taught by him, but pathetic guys that already get women without any methods. It's just so sad to see what the community has become. It was was better when Mystery was out in the clubs everynight, and Ross was still working the streets. Those guys are REAL PUA's. Dedicated people who put ALOT of effort into the community. Jugger is a IMITATION of these people, who doesn't even sarge. A fake out to take your money. I would be a amazing PUA as well if I made $30,000 a week off of a bunch of desperate men looking for some form of hope. Wise up guys. Do anything. Heck, move to Asia, but don't waste your money on Juggler seminars.

9:52 AM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys,
If you haven't taken a workshop from SOMEONE you admire, do it! It's worth it.

From a female perspective, a genuine love and excitement for women combined with some pickup skill is the hottest thing ever. Even though I prefer women, I will always give a really good PUA a chance simply because they're so in tune with the things I need on a psychological level. It's hot!

PS- Charisma Arts is a great company. Their more conversation based method is great because it allows you to immediately screen for truly smart, cool girls. But that's just my opinion.

11:17 AM, January 08, 2007  
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11:52 AM, January 08, 2007  
Blogger Donovan said...

I agree in some of what you say. Although Wayne doesn't charge as much as he possibly COULD for workshops. They're only $1600, and I've heard great reviews from people that have attended.

Simplicity is not necessarily a bad thing though guys.

Just because someone goes home to a girlfriend doesn't make them any less good at what they do. Hey, some of the greatest pickup artists actually have solid girlfriends. That's why this is "Dating Coach" not "Pickup Artists".

On his girlfriend: If she looks anything like the Charisma Arts former General Manager, Christian's girlfriend (look for his interview on the left side bar), Juggler's sleeping well. This girl was a 10 easily, with loads of personality and outlook.

Cobra & Sting:

Yes, it's not going to be on PRWeb, but it's official in my books. Separation happened, and I don't want to print here of why this happened. I could be get in trouble for libel, even though it's 98% true, blame could be on Mystery, but I haven't heard his story.

11:55 AM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wait a minute, is that a picture of David D or Jimmy Kimmel?

12:02 PM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The seperation of MM

www.venusianarts.com

2:59 PM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Gentlemen,
I'll give you the abridged version of me. I'm from Alberta, Canada and have read Style's extraordinary book.
NOW HERE COMES THE CONTROVERSY....
I have to regretfully inform many of the masters that there is little difference between any Pick-up methods - and that these methods (some of which are flawed and manipuative) closely parallel the training of animals.

I don't know if I'm the first to say this. But please let me explain.

Now I do agree that these methods have liberated some men from a life of fear of the opposite sex, having a theraputic effect and enriching the lives of many AFC's. Yet they have a striking resemblance to the very steps taken to gain the trust of a . . . HORSE!!! Now, I am not condoning mating a creature of the equine variety. I'd rather pick up women, but equestrians have been using these same techniques for decades, some of which date back as far as the first century. I see that this 'secret' society of PUA's also use similar techniques to lure women into trust.

For example, the Push-Pull technique is identical to a method used by horse trainers to spark the interest of a horse and create an environment wherein the horse feels safe, unthreatened by the human/predator.

I urge you not only to take my word for it but to research this topic for yourself. These techniques are used in therapeutic situations to help people heal themselves. Used in the wrong context, they could have harmful effects on the subjects these are used on as well as those that use them.

9:36 PM, January 08, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am pretty surprised at the level of animosity towards Juggler for having topped this poll. It seems like he brings a different flavor to the community. His method seems much more relaxed than the others, and he doesn't proclaim that you need to change to get good with women, in fact you can even be "nice" (gasp)!

However, I also think that his method is a lot more difficult to master than it initially seems. And I also think it better suits a certain type of personality.

Nonetheless, the high level of negativity is still disturbing. I wish more people would post intelligent things about why they think one coach is better than the other rather than just rip on people. In his own right, Juggler is still what we would probably all consider a "pioneer" in this little community, and you at least have to give credit where credit is due.

8:06 PM, January 09, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juggler a pioneer? That is funny. Ross Jeffries a pioneer. I think so. Mystery a pioneer. Of course. Juggler? Like him or not he's not a pioneer. He made some simple changes to what was ALREADY discovered. Then he acted cool, got really lucky in THE GAME, and cashed in.

5:32 PM, January 10, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the day the winner of anything doesn't get negativity thrown at him, you'll know you've entered the Twilight Zone.
the fact that Juggler won the vote shows that there's more popularity than negativity in how he's seen.

i'm happy to vouch for the guy's stuff - its not rocket science. friendly, strong guy who can talk about anything and everything and make it engaging and fun.
i don't know how well he can teach it, but his warm, good guy attitude comes through in his posts and speaking engagements. that's power of influence, thats being a teacher. this is different from say, Mystery or TD, who have good things to say and can make it sound like they're talking about how to put together a kitchen cabinet. they're analytical, Juggler's more human.
which teaching style works better, IMO, depends on the student.

Sting

12:11 AM, January 11, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The guys who are running Mystery Method without Mystery are crazy.

They may legally own the name and website, but they will never be as well-known as Mystery, one of the original innovators in the game.

It's a testament to Mystery that they can even try to make money off the shadow of his name and his method.

8:33 AM, January 11, 2007  

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I've Never Had An Orgasm

11.09.2006

posted by Donovan at 1:17 PM

I read that statement at the UK iVillage's Relationships Sex section today.

I found that pretty disturbing.

I remember one of the points Neil Strauss made, at the Mystery Method seminar in Vegas in response to a audience members question about women not sticking around after they've had sex, was "Is she having orgasms?"

Within the community we tend to be fairly self-improvement orientated which is great. We tend to put responsiblity in our own actions and not the womans. For the most part I think this is absolutely what we need to do. Sometimes, however a woman doesn't have orgasms like we would expect. I think the main cause of it, is an emotional connection and sexual technique.

In response to that woman's question... the following was given (which I think is valid):

Don't panic. There's almost certainly nothing wrong with you or your partner. But unlike men, most women have to learn to have an orgasm because each woman has a slightly different way of getting there. And you have to experiment in order to find out what works for you.

The first thing to realise is that for most women, intercourse alone doesn't bring them to orgasm. The secret to female orgasm is the clitoris - a small sensitive part of your genitals just above your vagina, that's the equivalent of the tip of a man's penis.

Now when your partner is penetrating you, he usually won't be touching your clitoris at all. There are three ways you could get the stimulation you need. First, by getting so worked up before intercourse that you're nearly at the point of orgasm - and then penetration finishes you off. Second, by either you or your partner sliding your hand down and touching your clitoris during intercourse. Or third, by finding a position for intercourse that means your clitoris is being stimulated, because your man's penis touches it as he slides in and out. But as I said, all of these need a lot of experimentation.
For an easy guide to sexual technique and the a guide to giving women that ultimate orgasm/s. Check out Secret Orgasm Tips that I've been referring guys to for awhile now.

Donovan

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Learning how to give women orgasims is as much of an integral part of the game as anything else. When you know you can satisfy a women sexually, that in of itself will give you more confidence and allow you to approach, open, and project confidence and create a sexual vibe.

1:56 AM, November 10, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lol the only way for women to get orgasms is by stimulating the clitoris? THere are alot of points on a womens body that can be stimulated for an orgasm to occur.
What kind of sexual adviser is that anyway.
As I can remember the orgasm is all in thee Brain anyway. You can stimulate all you want and still not get an orgasm if your brain isnt involved.
Hell I can think myself to an orgasm.

9:31 AM, November 10, 2006  

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Calibration

9.25.2006

posted by Donovan at 3:16 PM

The problem with most of the community is the idea of being "alpha". I had a friend in New York City that was too alpha. Here are some signs that you are acting too alpha (which is actually NOT alpha at all). I was talking to Style the other day (Neil Strauss) and we realized that one of the biggest downfalls of the community is the tendenacy for guys to have this problem of being TOO alpha.

1. Talking over people during a normal conversation
2. Never compromising in conversation (Your always right)
3. Making statements that really have no real reason to be in the conversation (Eg. overty DHVing which actually hurts your chances more)
4. Too MUCH cocky and funny (Too many statements of cocky and funny turn you into a loser that's supplicating)

All of these problems come from a single source: a lack of calibration. Not toning down the conversation, or revving up the conversation when it needs to be. Being cocky when you needed to be sincere.

Lets work on this guys.
D

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Putting it in terms of working an external system and using routine-based jargon is not how I view this, personally.

Once you're comfortable with your own reality and at ease with asserting that reality, you'll be fine. As long as you feel honest and natural about whatever you do, your communication won't become some sort of compensation for insecurity.

We both could be saying the same thing in different ways, but if we're not, it doesn't matter.

Everyone is different.

4:55 PM, September 25, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check out ANIMATED STYLE !

2:11 AM, September 27, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Alpha in a group is the one everybody is talking to, not the one doing all of the talking.

6:51 PM, October 02, 2006  

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The Most Dangerous Aspect of Pickup

9.14.2006

posted by Donovan at 2:16 PM

I liked this post on Pickup101's blog about some of the effects of learning pickup. I might not agree with everything, but I think the message rings true.


The most dangerous part of learning pick-up occurs when you start dehumanizing the people you talk to.

One way to do this is to use jargon to create an alternate reality. Now you’re not talking to a cute girl, you're sarging an SHB11. Whom you hope to f-close.

And it doesn’t matter if she rejects you, because she's not rejecting you, she's rejecting this alternate personality of silly clothes and other people’s routines.

The other easy way to dehumanize your interactions is just to have too many of them. The reason you can't find 50 girls a day is because you shouldn't be talking to 50 girls a day. Talk to 5 girls a day, but make your interactions count for something.

Hell, take it from me, if you resolve to talk to the hottest girl you see, every day, no matter what, that mission is pretty hard in itself.

Remember that the women you're talking to are people, too. At some point in your interaction you will be trying to make a real emotional connection with them. Those who forget this turn into what Neil Strauss ('Style') called "social robots".

In Art of Attraction we have several exercises that we use to overcome approach anxiety. No jargon, no dehumanization, no objectification. A few hours after they arrive at the workshop, our students are out there flirting with cute girls and making them laugh.

In the long run, I think dehumanizing the people you talk to has even worse effects. You need to internalize that these are other people, with their own hopes, dreams, and insecurities. They’re normal people, just like you, who want to meet fun strangers and laugh with them. If they're "HBs" and "targets" you’ll think of them that way forever.

So start small. Say hi to people and smile at them. Oh my God! They smile back. Give them a sincere compliment. Oh my God! They smile bigger. Practice a standard opener that you really like. Yeah, it's a crutch. There's no problem with that because you're going to use it to make a cute girl laugh, not "pump an HB’s buying temperature through the roof". Try it on friends first and make sure they laugh. Find a supportive wing and get out there and the most important thing is...

have fun!

Niels

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Tips for Internet Dating with Neil Strauss

8.26.2006

posted by Donovan at 10:49 AM

Just a small clip from the Meeting Women Online program of David D's. I thought this would not get me in to much trouble with the "authorities". He gives an overview and is introduced. Check it out.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks.

10:43 AM, August 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's interesting to see Neil on this side of pickup. I've always wondered how the gurus approach online dating.

9:54 AM, August 31, 2006  

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Neil and Lisa Are No More

7.06.2006

posted by Donovan at 3:33 PM

I don't really like to use this blog for rumors or "community personal gossip", but this one came from the source and is fairly relevant to the community.

Neil Strauss in his Stylelife Challenge Day 6 audio told us that he and Lisa had broken up. I confirmed this with a third-party source, and it wasn't Thundercat and no, I'm not Thundercat either.

Good luck to them both, I guess this means we can look forward to alot of new products with the Strauss logo branded on the side. Can't wait!!

UPDATE:

We'll I talked to Neil the other week and Lisa was in the background. Who knows... :) Perhaps not exclusive anymore, or perhaps gotten back together!

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Blogger Donovan said...

haha yeah that's what he said.

thats why the joked that "it happened last week"

I agree, its a killer opener.

8:17 PM, July 06, 2006  
Blogger Lifestyle With BG said...

lol at the insider joke ;)

1:53 PM, July 08, 2006  

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Neil Strauss (Seduction Master's Interview)

6.12.2006

posted by Donovan at 10:29 AM

Seduction Masters Interview

Neil hardly ever does email interviews, and has turned down multiple requests from big time newspapers. This is a special treat for you avid Attraction Chronicles readers. Enjoy! =)

Donovan


Neil Strauss


Thanks for doing this interview Neil. With all that's been written and the media exposure of 'The Game', it seems pointless to ask you the typical PUA questions. So I have some others.

First off, why did you choose writing as a profession, and especially writing about culture?

It was an accident. It happened like a snowball rolling a hill. I think everyone always gets asked “Did you always want to be a writer/fireman/cook/blogger?” And when you're young you want to be EVERYTHING. You make up your own radio and TV shows, you play with fire engines, you want to be a farmer, you go to work with a dad. So, in short, I suppose I could have just as easily been a farmer or a fire fighter. I learn quickly.

Tell me about the Stylelife Challenge that you're doing.

I started a mailing list when the book came out at my www.neilstrauss.com website. And since then, I've gotten thousands upon thousands of really moving emails that I just don't have the time to answer. So I thought it would be cool before I dove into the next book to spend 31 days helping the guys who need it most: the guys getting out of rough relationships, the 25-year-olds who've never had sex or a girlfriend, the people who are just petrified at the thought of talking to a woman. The event is going to take place from July 1 to July 31, and the challenge is for them to get a date in that time following the instructions and assignments I give them. It's kind of a thank-you present to my VIP list for being really fucking cool and supportive and open.

You told us in 'The Game' that you had help from Steve Piccus, and his mate. How did that impact your self-esteem/outlook?

A lot of people ask me that. I think the hypnosis and deep inner-game work is something you should do AFTER getting social experience. You need to get out there and interact in order to identify what your internal sticking points are. Then, once they're identified, you can take the steps necessary to fix them. The more specifically you can pinpoint your problems, the more accurately you can defeat and overcome them. I definitely think Steve gave me a huge leap forward in terms of feeling worthiness and letting go of fear. I still vividly remember spending all those hours with my eyes closed and him telling me to imagine crazy things, many of which involved excrement for some reason.

What is your favorite song on your iPod right now?

"Sargin" by DJ Dave and Turkish. They read The Game and made this hip-hop track. It's on my Myspace profile (www.myspace.com/neilstrauss).

If you were entering the community, what specific methods would you use to get to where you are now?

There's one chief rule for improving: hang out with someone who's better than you. They don't have to be the best, just better. I think guys wring their hands too much over “choosing” a method. Just try everything (most of it's free online) and do what works for you. Immediately get started with SOMETHING, rather than standing at the deadly precipice of indecision. You can only learn from it, and it will eventually lead you to what's right for you.

We try and stay positive with all aspects of our lives. But no matter the circumstances, there are some things we wish we could change atleast to a small degree. Do you have any regrets about finding the community?

Of course I have no regret about finding the community, because in the end it made me a much better, happier person. I think the community should be like college for guys: you stay in it for a few years, then move into the real world with the tools to succeed. I think it only gets counter-productive only when people spend more time gossiping or trying to impress each other than actually improving themselves.

If a guy was looking to establish an exclusive relationship, where should he focus his time? On club, day, or talk show game?

Definitely talk show game.

Actually, game to me is just for courtship and attraction. Whether you're looking for a one-night stand or marriage, they all begin the same way - with two strangers meeting.

We know that being friends with 'naturals' increases our social skills, helps us meet more women within their social circle, and improves our ability to attract naturally. What steps do you recommend for befriending naturals that we come into contact with?

The best way to befriend a natural is to let him know that by hanging out with you, he can meet even more women. Game respects game.

I believe one of the biggest problems that guys have, is that they're genuinely not interesting, and/or don't have fun. What are some activities they could take up that would help them develop a more interesting lifestyle/attitude?

Good point. I always tell guys that the best way to meet women is to have something better than meeting women Every guy NEEDS to be doing something physical a few times a week - whether it's working out, surfing, jogging, a sport, or a martial art. Traveling is also a key to become a deeper, richer person. But the most important thing is…not being self-conscious, because deep inside, we all know we're interesting. Some of us are just uncomfortable sharing that side of themselves with strangers because they're worried that they'll be judged.

If you could live in any city/town/country in the world, politics, calamities, lover, and family aside, where would it be?

I haven't found that place yet. But the three trips I'd most like to take that I haven't done yet are New Zealand, Cuba, and a road trip across Russia.

It's amazing to most of us that even some celebrities that you've talked briefly about have trouble attracting women into relationships. Of these, what in your opinion is the main reason some celebrities aren't successful getting stable, beautiful, interesting women?

Here's the thing: Almost every famous person I know can only choose from among the women who approach them. If they see a woman they're attracted to, most of them don't know how to break the ice. Or if they do, their way of accomplishing it is to send their manager or bodyguard over to say, “So-and-so would like to meet you”

In addition, a lot of them get LMR, with these types of women, because she'll start asking them if they do this with all the girls. Some celebrities I've talked to actually have routines to deal with this - and they're not unlike the community's LMR routines.

What I'm more interested in is the women who end up dating these celebrities. I'll see some on the arm of a different famous guy every night. I'd like to learn more about THEIR game.

When you want to escape the demands of being a best-selling author and quasi-celebrity figure, what do you do?

Feeding pigeons in the park, standing on street corners and shouting obscenities at passers-by, and sometimes even loading in a no-loading zone.

Many guys seem to have a problem with Day2's and getting women out there at times (possibly because of no idea what to do). Could you give some interesting examples of your most successful Day2 activities?

Every Sunday when I was actively sarging, I'd map out my nightly activities for the week. This way, when I met someone I was interested in, I could invite her to tag along to the appropriate event or meal or shopping expedition or night out. Some guys do one-on-one coffee dates, but I prefer to bring her out in a small, fun group, so that after a few hours we yearn to break away and be alone together.

What has been your favorite film at the cinemas within the last 3 months?

The last great movie I saw was older than that. It was the documentary "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room." It's chilling.

What guys from the community are you still close friends with?

I'm still close with a handful of great guys, and in communication with most others. I'll always treasure the bonds I made. I really have a lot of gratitude, respect, and love for every single person in the book.

Thanks, we look forward to your continued influence in the community!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys Rock!

8:47 AM, June 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

www.myspace.com/neilstrauss

^^^

This is obviously NOT the myspace of Neil.
How about checking this BEFORE posting an article???

4:19 AM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

That's the address that Neil typed in his interview in the EMAIL he sent to me. Maybe he forgot his own myspace account, or more likely, your WRONG.

9:43 AM, June 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that if it is his account he doesnt maintain it but reather his publisher does.

1:17 PM, June 17, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

I didnt know, I'm his friend.

Try adding him.

8:34 AM, June 20, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a great interview, Donovan. Your questions are very interesting and it's good to see that you don't fall down to the questiontrap many others does. Keep it up!

7:36 AM, September 02, 2006  

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Miss Out On The Annihilation Method?

5.29.2006

posted by Donovan at 4:34 PM

If any of you guys had trouble getting the "Annihilation Method". You needn't stress. There are a tonne of great options for you out there.

1. Mystery Method
Taught by the man of the moment - Mystery. He was Neil's instructor and taught him a lot of what he uses now. This is a step-by-step breakdown on everything from meeting to sex.

2. Pickup 101
Lance Mason teaches very similar techniques that Annihilation Method and Mystery Method teach. Perhaps with a more natural feel. I've been reviewing a new product that he plans to release which is delves into Attraction, Comfort Building, and Seduction. Everything you need to know. Look out for that review soon.

3. David DeAngelo
The basics of male to female attraction. What makes a man attractive? What are characteristics of men in which women find attractive. Learn all of that and more. Also if you want an fairly easy way out of approaching women. Check out his Meeting Women Online program (which features Neil Strauss).

It is too bad that you missed out on Style's product, however for $4000 dollars you could definitely purchase a few workshops and products that could transform your lifestyle. It all depends on you. If you haven't already, download the report about when he trained the "Final 5", simply enter your email and get the details!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

The annihalation method is such a waste of money 4000 dollars? are you kidding me theres no way you should spend that much.

5:46 PM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

I don't know... I haven't reviewed it. It seems overpriced, but he can choose the price. He has made himself into a great brand. Good luck to him. You can get alot of seduction material for $4000, but no material will transform you without in the field practice.

5:57 PM, May 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you recommend someone get started getting into the field? I keep reading TCs book, DYD book, but I can't get out there, I can't really pick a place and make the move, I can't spend $4000. Any advice?

pawnscrown at yhoo

10:24 PM, May 29, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

Make a gameplan of things to do. Eg. Mystery Method is a great way to do this. Plug in the model with real material and practice, practice, practice. The field is where you get good. You've just got to DO IT. There's no easy way.. (Try with your friends girlfriends, eg. Girls that are in your social circle, or girls at parties that you attend, then keep migrating to bigger and better)

12:07 AM, May 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just had a workshop with Badboy in Munich last weekend.. and I can assure you.. such a workshop is an eye opener !!! you wouldn't believe what is possible.. you can observe fellow 'students' and the teacher himself.
you are afterwards really motivated to go out in the field.. believe me. we ALL get at least 1 number close (some even kiss close.. ;-) ..) That's what I would suggest everyone.. do a workshop

cheers Lukaris

1:20 AM, May 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow a kiss close!

Hahaha!

I really don't have anything useful to say about the AM, apart from mentioning that it sucks...

P.s; FUCK TC!

8:17 AM, May 30, 2006  
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Anonymous2:

Don't flame here.

Anonymous1:

That's great progress. Workshops really are a great way to boost your confidence and get you out in the field.

8:48 AM, May 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I used to like style a lot before the whole annihilation method thing... I know he is a great PUA. But his agressive marketing style put me off. I also lost my respect for Thundercat who was supposed to be a neutral reviewer and not style's persornal assistant. I just think it is hard to say anything bad about your bestfriends product. Style must have confused real life with a soap opera. I think Mystery should come out with a better DVD set. The DVD set mystery has on sale now lacks continuity... I really didnot like watching random chunks glued in together. The dvds did not have any flow. I think i will wait for lance's new product.

12:31 PM, May 30, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

I feel ya. Alot of guys in the community were, life goes on...

Stay tuned for a review of Lance's new DVD and CD AUDIO set.

9:57 PM, May 30, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The seduction community is to stay. Style is acting as if there is no tommorow. Guess what he has rocked my inbox with his anniliation method in last week. He is acting so deperate for money. First he created big name with his The Game book. Now he is trying to cash his popularity. The Game book itself will have adverse affect on the newbies to the community. PPl who are already PUA will not have any problem because they are already perfect, but if a newbies reads seduction material and try it on someone and she knows that he is trying some material on her, she will put up high resistance.
There are many ppl in commmunity who has made a lot of money but nobody did like Style.

12:19 PM, June 01, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"but if a newbies reads seduction material and try it on someone and she knows that he is trying some material on her, she will put up high resistance." - good. You guys need a good push, to move from constant to dynamic material.

2:27 AM, June 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you realize he made $1.4 million off this little marketing ploy. That is way taking advantage of people looking for a little help in the pickup lifestyle. Way to go Neil! No one should be happy about that other than Neil. He said he was done with the lifestyle so I guess the only thing left was to make everyone hate him by taking advantage. I am just waiting for someone to realize they got ripped off and put his work out on a bit torrent or something for everyone to have.

7:19 AM, June 09, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

So he made 1.4 million. So what. He hasn't taken advantage of anyone. He made the product, he's selling it. He has made himself synonymous with seduction, and so therefore it's his RIGHT to sell what he wishes. If you don't like it, take some effing control and unsubscribe. Shit, it's like you're powerless to do anything. Please.

10:05 AM, June 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Style claims that the money (after deduction of expenses) is going to charity and that the whole thing was just an ideas show for his new book...
If it wasn't going to charity he would have lost my respect also. I think it must because otherwise all the other guys(SwingCat(or was it ThunderCat),Mystery,etc...) wouldn't have cooperated to make style rich in 24 hours.

I still feel i missed out on something dough. Damm that's some pretty good marketing.

6:51 AM, June 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thats alot of buyers remorse..
I hear its a good program though but
while only a few?

3:31 PM, September 02, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know...I bought the Annihilation Method, and at first I was disappointed. I thought it was going to be a magical golden goose. I had major buyer's remorse. But I realized this product wasn't going to just do the work itself. I had to kick my butt in gear to actually do the approaches and experience failure. Also its not all about the material. It's not what you say, its how you say it. And also what I found it seperated itself from all other stuff was the inner game exercises. I felt it was very complete overall. And by the way AM seminar Style this past weekend was awesome. It was the most amazing experience I've ever had.

3:15 PM, November 15, 2006  
Blogger Jack_77057 said...

What you all have to understand is that seducing women is a lot of fun, but not economically rewarding. The money is in seducing men. PUAs are becoming very rich enticing AFCs and Newbies to purchase their expensive products. It seems like at some point, every major PUA shifts from seducing women to seducing men... and watch out because you are the girl, and you know what they do to girls. I am not saying you won't get anything out of it, but you are definitely the girl in this transaction. Every time I get something from Style (or Neil Strauss, whatever), I am always trying to identify what seduction technique he is using on me. So, just know this: you are a girl to these guys and they all want to get in your pants... to reach into your pockets.

11:11 AM, August 20, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jack, I agree. And like all PUAs, some will be doing it for a genuine win-win which serves the interests of the 'girl' too and gives her a great experience she might not otherwise have had, and some will just wanna lie to her, f*ck her and dump her.

So (y)our job is to be a sophisticated 'girl' and discriminate between the two kinds of PUAs in this scenario. Oh, and if we just lie there and take it and invite him to walk all over us (e.g. by not actually using the stuff we've bought) then guess which kind of interaction WE would be creating...

6:16 AM, October 18, 2007  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just have to follow up on this a little from my perspective. Neil's products got me out there doing things I never thought possible. He has helped me change my perspective on life, women, and wealth. All his material is hard work but well worth the results. You basically get what you put into it.
Although he is making a shit load of money, he is also healping a lot of people better find the way to help themselves; something pricesless to those who view success in terms of being their best selves.

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Style, Mystery, and Mehow on Current TV

5.25.2006

posted by Donovan at 11:40 AM

Neil Strauss, Mystery, and Mehow, are featured on the cable channel Current TV. This was the actual seminar I attended in Las Vegas, and if you look closely you can see me (in the background eating my BLT jk) lol

A very balanced view of the game, that I think you will enjoy.

Enjoy!

http://www.current.tv/video?id=1758929

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Herbal (Seduction Masters Interview)

5.11.2006

posted by Donovan at 2:15 PM

Seduction Masters Interview

Tell Me About Yourself!

I'm 25, living in Austin TX. I've been in the game for about 3 years, tovarying degrees. Right now I barely go out, but back in LA I would often times go out seven days a week and used to teach workshops with Mystery.

Download Tynan's MP3 Rap about Mystery (Click here)

I just started working for a friend who moved his tech company to Austin, and on the side I run my site, www.BetterThanYourBoyfriend.com. I'm actively working on becoming a rapper as well.

UPDATE: Herbal has written his own guide for bringing charisma and energy to your conversations and lifestyle. Read my new interview with Tynan at my new blog.


Herbal Seduction


Describe the moment, when you suddenly realized, "I need to work out this part of my life."

I had a huge crush on this girl for three years. I took a certain amount of pride in not going after other girls - I had the AFC mentality that waiting for her to move back to Austin was a romantic thing to do.

In retrospect, of course, it was pretty creepy.

One day, after having this crush for three years, I decided that I had enough and that I needed to change. A friend had showed me ASF a year prior, but not being ready to give up my crush, I had ignored it. I searched for it again, and read it until the wee hours of the morning. That's when I was hooked.

I then got involved with the Austin Society, and got lucky and got a number my first night out. That success gave me the false confidence to press forward through a lot of rejection.

Have you had any mentors (perhaps well-known pickup artists) within the community/life that have helped you improve your game, and what did they teach you?

Mystery, Style, and Tyler Durden are probably my biggest mentors. Before moving to Project Hollywood I had a nagging worry in the back of my head that I was nothing more than a tenant. What if I moved there and they wanted nothing to do with me? After all, I'd never met Mystery or Style, and had only briefly talked with TD.

However, as soon as I got there any worries I had disappeared. Mystery began teaching me the first week and we were soon going out every night together as wings. Eventually I started teaching workshops with him, which only furthered my knowledge.

I went out with Style and Tyler less, but both of them taught me more than I can thank them for. Tyler helped me understand the importance of learning the skill, and was a huge motivating factor. He was always brutally honest with his feedback, which was very helpful.

Style also gave me a lot of good advice, and his lifestyle which integrated pickup and his real personality and hobbies inspired me.

It's incredibly important to have mentors. Being around someone teaches a lot more than reading what they write.

Can you describe the first time you used a counter-intuitive routine that yielded it's promised results, and how you felt?


The whole game was counterintuitive. It honestly never really occurred to me that I could cultivate any sort of relationship with a stranger. I had never been in a bar or club before the game, and hadn't ever asked a girl for her number. That first number I got just blew away my reality and made me wonder what else I didn't know (the answer: a lot).

Could you describe what you're life was like before you were aware of this, and what options you have with women now?


Life was fine before, but I never felt like I had much control. If a girl liked me, I could usually guide things in the right direction. However, the girls always picked me - I had no choice in the matter.

I don't really go out anymore. I'm not terribly interested in girls who are into the party scene. But now when I see a girl I'm interested in, I can start talking to her and know that she will be attracted to me. In fact, the process is so internalized and subconscious now that I KNOW that any girl I spend fifteen minutes around will like me.

What was your biggest sticking point?

My biggest sticking point was, and still is, going for the first kiss. I am awful at it. I get nervous and then usually end up finally doing it much later than I should have.

Part of the problem is that I'm much more picky than I deserve to be, and I've never "practiced" with less desirable girls. Oh well - I guess there are worse problems to have.

Do you have a favorite routine/step in your model, can you describe it, and what it accomplishes?

"When I first met you, I didn't really like you. Now that I get to know you - you're amazing"

I don't know if I actually ever say those exact words, but I love the sentiment. It's one of Mystery's lines. It's usually also the truth, and I love the reaction it gets.

It says...

"I am picky"
"I like you for more than your beauty"
"I'm not chasing you"
"I'm honest"
And "I like you"

... all in one little phrase.

Have you had the experience yet, where you feel that you've reached a certain degree of mastery? Can you explain the time, and how you got the realization?


I wouldn't consider myself a master. I'm not an AFC either, but when I see people like Mystery or Tyler Durden in the field I realize how much better it's possible to be.

There was one set I did in LA that really sticks out in my mind, though. I was at Lotus with Tyler and a bunch of other people. I chatted up the hottest girl in there, and she was head over heels. I had her feeding me sushi that some other guy bought, begging for my number while these tall modely guys begged for hers, and kissed her goodbye. Later I found out that she was a professional model and even had model trading cards that people bought and sold on ebay.

When I got home she had already left a message on my phone. We never ended up seeing each other because shortly after meeting her I got involved with Katya, but she was still calling me even after I moved back to Austin.

That set made it blatantly obvious that I COULD attract any girl. Before pickup, I would have assumed that she would have no interest in even talking to me. Now I walk around with the confidence that I can get any girl, which is a great feeling to have.

What advice would you give to newbies starting out, in order to greatly accelerate their learning curve?

I could write a book here. Take a workshop, first of all. I was always too proud to take a workshop. I didn't need to spend money to get good. It's true - I didn't, but I would have gotten much better much faster if I had.

Now I'm fortunate enough to be friends with most of the seminar and workshop people, so I can sit in, but it's not the same. If I could go back and pay to have a real workshop, I'd do it. I had no idea how high quality these programs were (specifically Mystery, RSD, Pickup 101, and The Approach).

After you take your workshop, go out religiously. I taught with Mystery for a while, and the people who got good were the people who applied what they learned.

Also - dedicate your life to it. EVERYONE who has gotten very good has done this. It's equally important to take a step back later and see what's stuck with you. But in the beginning - dedicate your life to it.

I MOVED ACROSS THE COUNTRY to get involved. I had a house in Austin that I kept paying the mortgage on while I was in LA. I literally spent all of my savings on the deposit for my chunk of Project Hollywood and had no idea how I was going to pay the rent when I got there.

You're not going to get good starting out two nights a week on your own. It just won't happen. Surround yourself with people who are GREAT (not your fellow AFC friends who are also learning). Go out a lot.

Pickup is both the hardest skill you'll ever learn and the most important. Everyone I know who is any good will say it's the most important thing they've learned, because it applies to EVERYTHING, not just women. I have better relationships with friends, family, and business associates because of it. Do what it takes to get this.

What's your belief on inner game, and how did you improve it?


Inner game is essential, especially as you get later in your game. Don't use it as an excuse, though. I see a lot of guys "working on their inner game" instead of going out. That's crap.

You improve your inner game by being in the field. What would have helped me more? 1000 affirmations saying "hot girls love me" or picking up that model and KNOWING that hot girls love me?

Learning pickup should be the process of amplifying who you are. You're not changing who you are. That's a mistake. You weed out your bad traits and amplify the good ones. Figure out what you like about yourself and what others like about yourself and make THAT be your core.

Habits that you want to kick and that are unattractive need to be minimized or eliminated.

The best way to cultivate a strong inner game is to be out in the field constantly while being hyper aware of everything you do and how it affects others. Every single thing you do or say will get a subtle reaction from everyone in the set. Take note of that.

Do you have a personal favorite field report (your own) that you could relay?

It was the 2004 pickup summit that I organized (see how involved I got?), and everyone was there. More importantly, everyone was trying to show off.

Thundercat and Cristophe were talking to two girls of a three set. The last girl was facing away from the group and had the coldest body language I'd ever seen.

The One came up to me and pointed her out.

"Dude, that girl is really cold. Try talking to her."

It sounded like a challenge to me. PUAs from all over the world were watching, and I had a lot to prove since I had just moved to ProHo.

I walked up and started talking. She ignored me. I just stacked and stacked and stacked, totally unwilling to walk away as a failure. She didn't acknowledge my presence. In any other situation I would have given up long ago, but too many people were watching.

Finally I said something funny and I noticed that the corner of her mouth, the only part I could see, had broken into a slight smile.

"I caught you!" I said, "You've been sitting here being entertained this whole time while I stand here like an idiot? Forget this..."

I started walking away, knowing that she would turn around.

"No... wait!"

I turned and saw that she was smiling. She looked embarrassed. We started talking like normal, and she became attracted to me. Hey, who can blame her?

Thundercat, Cristophe, the three girls, and I walked to Mel's as I had gotten used to doing every night.

During dinner I tried to use a new lying game Style had taught me. Unfortunately I introduced it without really knowing how to follow up.

"Did you know that you can tell if someone's lying just by looking in their eyes?"

"Really, how? Ask me something and tell me if I'm lying or not"

Oops. That's not how this is supposed to go. I got an idea.

"Ok. Do you want to kiss me?"

"No."

"You're lying."

Really, was there anything else I could say? Kissing's always been my big sticking point, so I figured I might as well practice. She was cute.

"No I'm not."

It was a test. I could now tell that she was attracted.

"Yes you are. And now that you've lied to me, I'm NOT going to kiss you."

There was a pause.

"I'm sorry for lying! I didn't know what to say!"

I shrugged apologetically and kept eating. She apologized a couple more times, now very eager to kiss me.

On the way back up to the house I asked her why she was in a bad mood earlier. It was a guy.

Some guy had chatted her up. She didn't like him, but gave him her number in hopes that it would end the conversation.

It did, but then he called her every day until she finally answered. He badgered her into going on a date with her.

Then he badgered her into being his girlfriend.

She had broken up with him earlier that day and was calling her incessantly. That's why her phone was ringing every few minutes. I answered once and told him I was her new boyfriend and to stop calling. He was furious.

We got up to the house and laid down in the pillow pit. I made out with her, but it wasn't really appropriate. There were 20+ PUAs standing in the living room. Maybe that's why I did it.

It didn't seem to be going as well with Thundercat and Cristophe's girls (maybe they weren't interested in the girls, I dunno), so soon the girls left.

My girl and I called each other a few times, but suddenly she stopped calling back. Oh well.

More than six month later I was eating dinner with Mystery when he got a call from TD.

"Dude... tell Herbal to answer his phone. Someone's going to call him."

Sure enough my phone rang. It was that girl. I let it go to voicemail for some reason and her message said :

"Hey Herbal! I'm so sorry I never called you back. I lost your number! I just met your friend Tyler and he used the same tricks on me that you used! We should hang out again! Call me!"

I was dating Katya at the time, so I never called her back. I like that set because I learned a lot. It shows how importance persistence is (both with her boyfriend and me). If I can turn around a set like THAT, I can turn around any set. I probably talked to her back for at least five minutes.
That's a long time when the other person is totally ignoring you.

What is your current sticking point (if any)?

The biggest problem I have these days if finding girls I'm seriously interesting in pursuing.

As it's become easier to attract higher quality girls, my standards have gone up to match. How many beautiful girls do you know who are interesting and fun to be around, but don't drink or smoke?

Luckily I've got some ideas that I'll be putting into action soon for meeting women like that.

What are you goals now within the community, and in life?


I don't really have any goals within the community now, other than to see my friends who are actively involved in it succeed.

In life I focus on constant improvement. I want my relationships to be better, my business to be better, and for my health to be better.

I was hanging out with JLaix in San Francisco last week and he told me that his goal was to gain proficiency in 10 new areas this year (or was it in six months?) I thought that was a great goal and I might borrow it.

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Neil Strauss on Dutch TV

4.26.2006

posted by Donovan at 10:23 AM

I've got finals now, so this will have to suffice till Friday. =)

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Blogger P.i.m.p. said...

Wow, that went really smooth. I almost feel guilty that it´s all over the internet now, because I´m the one who recorded it. :-)

1:29 AM, April 27, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

I think its good. It shows us that he is SIMPLY human after all.

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Neil Strauss and Wayne Elise on SexTV

4.16.2006

posted by Donovan at 1:09 PM

I hope all is well for you in life and with women. I've been rather busy lately, but remembered about you all, and your conquest to improve your charisma, charm, and knowledge in seduction.

SexTV, a cable channel did a segment with Neil Strauss and Wayne Elise (Juggler). It's an awesome semi-documentary, have a look. The video is divided into three parts, Neil Strauss is at the beginning and Wayne Elise aka Juggler is middle through end.

And no, I'm not sure how you guys can download them for future reference. (Bookmark these pages because the videos are stored in your local cache for easy replaying...)


Part 1/3

Part 2/3

Part 3/3

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

video doesnt work, please someone email it to me

5:01 AM, November 09, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo I would love to see those videos. Can someone re-upload them and post new links? If you won't, I will. Just send them to me and I'll comment with the new links. Just email spam(at)moltenstud(dot)tk.

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Neil Strauss Gives Tour Of Project Hollywood (Video)

4.11.2006

posted by Donovan at 4:33 PM

Neil on Swedish TV giving a brief overview of The Game, and also shows us inside Project Hollywood.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how we can dowload these videos for furture referance and so on?

12:31 PM, April 14, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you use Mozilla Firefox browser , there is a plugin that will allow you to download videos from sites like Youtube,myspace,google-video etc.
Its called "VideoDownloader".
Files are encoded in .swf and .flv formats but can be converted to regular video formats using TotalVideoConverter.

9:44 AM, September 17, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems that the video of Project Hollywood has been taken down!?
Can anyone help me find another source of this video? I would really like to see it.

7:50 AM, October 23, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a link to the file on MEGAUPLOAD

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LOHQELGX

1:57 PM, October 24, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

It will be reappearing on this page momentarily. I've uploaded it to youtube

2:57 PM, October 24, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Usually after you load up a file on YouTube, it is saved as an .flv file in your "Temporary Internet Files" folder.

Otherwise just paste the URL into http://javimoya.com/blog/youtube_en.

10:59 AM, November 11, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh! And you'll also need an FLV player to actually WATCH THE VIDEO!

There are a few, I know of media player classic and mplayer.

11:01 AM, November 11, 2006  

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Neil Strauss On ABC Primetime Live! (Video)

4.03.2006

posted by Donovan at 10:51 AM

I've uploaded the Neil Strauss feature on ABC Primetime Live. It took a while but I've done it! Enjoy it. It features a Mystery Method bootcamp, the Cliff List Pick Up Artist Convention, and other cool stuff.



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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good looking guy?

LMAO, man he's geeky and ugly (ok not that ugly)

Notice how much he leans in when he delivers his opener. Bad, bad, bad.
And did he open with a neg? Man, negs are sooooooo 2005.

Yep. It's me, APEX :)

11:56 AM, April 03, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Video..
I heard about it a little while back.. I had been curious about the old "Strauss"... damn he transformed!

And thanks for posting all these videos, unfortunately or should I say fortunately theres not much feature of "The Game" on british television!

3:24 PM, April 05, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Negs only work on a certain type of girl... if you are looking for a more down to earth girl they can be seen as a turn off.

9:25 AM, June 26, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well no offense intended on my part - but Mystery did NOT sound like what I had in mind AT ALL.

he sounds like a girl.

with a high-pitched voice he brings out all his canned lines that should have no effect whatsoever yet does.

i guess it just goes to show tht a quick fix works - but ultimately actually working on becoming rich and physically strong is the better method.

still - to neil and mystery for being able to do what they did despite all their flaws - i salute you both.

8:29 AM, July 04, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mystery's bisexual...

10:45 AM, August 28, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

haha. Good to know.

6:29 PM, August 28, 2006  
Blogger BetterGame said...

The nerd in the ABC clip who just walks up to women and says, "Do you floss before or after?" and thinks that's game is a complete scrub. Neil must see that and cringe. Face it, the delivery is at least 70% of the game.

My game was great before the book, better after the book, better still now because I continue to come up with original shit and don't just stand there like a robot saying shit that went out of style 18 months ago. Use the same principles but come up with your own original game. It's all about standing out in a crowd -- not doing what every other dumb ass is trying to do.

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Juggler and Neil Strauss (Video)

4.02.2006

posted by Donovan at 11:42 AM

I've found this video that features Wayne Elise aka Juggler and Neil Strauss aka Style, at the "The Game" book signing. He guest wrote a chapter in "The Game" called "The Seduction of Style". Pretty cool.

Wayne Elise is the creator of the Juggler Method, which is mostly 'natural game'. His techniques are world famous now, and he runs Charm School workshops.



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great post

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The Game, Bigscreen Adaptation

3.23.2006

posted by Donovan at 8:11 AM

I found an article about the release of 'The Game' movie. For a book review of The Game click here.

A bigscreen adapation of Neil Strauss' book, "The Game," will be made by Michael De Luca and the Weitz brothers.

Chris Weitz is writing the script for Columbia Pictures.

The project is based on Strauss' undercover account of a community of pickup artists -- aka AFC's or "average frustrated chumps" -- trying to bed HB's (hot babes). The guru of the group is a man named Mystery, who dispenses advice on the art of seduction using the mantra "FMAC": find, meet, attract, close.

De Luca is producing with Chris and Paul Weitz. Andrew Miano is executive producing. Join us in the forum to talk about the film. Variety hosts further information.

Weitz brothers on set of American Pie
Weitz brothers with Jason Biggs on set

Michael De Luca
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Meet Neil Strauss

3.19.2006

posted by Donovan at 3:08 PM

Neil Strauss & Lisa Leveridge
Neil Strauss & Lisa Leveridge

Read my exclusive interview with Neil Strauss (Style)!

In the seduction community, Strauss is known by the pseudonym "Style." Some in the seduction community referred to Neil, based upon his reputation for picking up exceptionally beautiful women. Later, when information about upcoming release of The Game spread across the seduction community, some considered Strauss a traitor, revealing the guarded secrets to general society and thus reducing their effectiveness (this view is not shared by everyone). Strauss abandoned his pickup artist's lifestyle and settled with a long-term girlfriend Lisa Leveridge, who played in the band Hole (Courtney Love).

Neil Strauss

At the end of 2005, Strauss passed his knowledge to 5 selected followers at a three-day seminar at his California home. During the event, many legendary personalities came across to share their knowledge, including Ross Jeffries, Steve Piccus, Mystery and Hypnotica.

In The Game, Strauss tells the tale of his transformation into "Style," a pickup artist under the tutelage of Mystery a guru widely known as "the world's greatest pick up artist". The book charts two years in his life. In addition to documenting his experiences with pickup artists like Mystery and Ross Jeffries, it also describes his interactions with celebrities including Britney Spears, Tom Cruise and Courtney Love. In promoting his book, Neil appeared on various TV shows, including ABC Primetime.

Neil Strauss media and links:
Neil Strauss Gives Tour of Project Hollywood (Video)
Neil Strauss On ABC Primetime Live! (Video)
Juggler and Neil Strauss (Video)
Neil's Latest Email: The Game Remains The Same
Neil Strauss and Jessica Alba
Neil Strauss, Before and After...
The Annihilation Method -- Revealed!!
The Annihilation Method Part II
The Annihiliation Method, Part III
Can You Approach Women Like Neil Strauss, Author of "The Game" Tonight?
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Neil's Latest Email: The Game Remains The Same

3.07.2006

posted by Donovan at 2:50 PM

It was a delight speaking to Neil at the Las Vegas Mystery Method seminar. Great experience. It's always good to get emails from him:

I was talking to a writer who was working on a now-controversial story in this week's Village Voice about The Game. Part of it had to do with a blogger named Dolly who had read the book and caught a pickup artist using the lines in a bar. Later that night, she made out with him nonetheless.

So it made me think: I've received hundreds of emails from guys fretting that if the book or the community get too well-known, the game won't work anymore.

So I did some thinking about that.

First of all, everyone knows how to diet, but not everyone does it. Most of the people who read about these ideas and techniques won't actually put them into action. (Instead, they'll procrastinate by writing letters worrying about too many people finding out about the techniques.)

The fact is, the game will always work. It's just that some of the wording to the scripts may have to change -- and that's only for those who use the scripts for "training."

For example:

What's one of the most cliché pickup lines in the world?

The corniest, cheesiest one?

That's right: It's "What's your sign?"

If you walk up to a girl and say, "What's your sign?" she'll know you're delivering a rehearsed pickup line from some bad 70's TV show.

But guess what? "What's Your Sign" is almost exactly like the openers and DHVs (demonstrations of higher value) in The Game.

There was a point when "What's your sign" was not a corny way to start a conversation. It was a non-sexual opener: a means of breaking the ice with strangers without hitting on them. It was a current topic, exciting and interesting. (As Mystery once put it, the best subjects for conversations are relationships and the unknown.) Furthermore, it was a way of demonstrating value. Instead of saying "let's ball" (or whatever the lingo was at the time), you were showing that you were spiritual and had interesting knowledge to offer.

In the parlance of the seduction community, it was a neutral entertaining opener with DHV spikes built in.

And, sure, we all know it's outdated and cheesy. But isn't it extraordinary how a few minutes into seventy percent of all conversations with women, a discussion of astrology ensues? She'll probably ask you, "What sign are you?" And if you know a lot about astrology, it's actually a demonstration of higher value.

(Note to logical, empirical, factual men: Don't say, "I don't believe in that bullshit." Cynicism and negativity are two traits to avoid when meeting a woman, even if you think they make you seem "cool.")

When I was researching the book, I spent hours in Miami with a PUA named Maddash, who gave me a long tutorial on astrology. He taught me what all the signs meant, what the twelve houses were all about, how to identify astrological trends in people's lives, and how to determine sign compatibility.

Whether or not I believed in astrology was immaterial: I now knew a lot about it. And it made for great conversation, connection, and value when I was meeting people.

So the epiphany I had was: "What's your sign" STILL WORKS. It will always work.

Everything will always work. If people find out about it, all you have to do is change the way you say it and perhaps when you say it.

For example, if saying, "Hey guys, I need a quick opinion on something" telegraphs that you're delivering a pickup line because the women read about it in a magazine, no worries. Just change it to: "I need some quick help settling a debate." If opinion openers don't work anymore, save the question for later in the conversation. I already have three other types of openers I've come up with that I'm waiting for the right time to release. And if I can come up with alternatives, I've got a feeling YOU can too.

In the bigger picture, the thing that's important to remember is: There is no such thing as a pickup line. The language and wording don't matter. What's important is the intent behind them. The Jealous Girlfriend opener works not because it's the Jealous Girlfriend opener, but because it's a way to start an animated conversation with a group of people without hitting on anyone. So as long as you can always do that, you've got nothing to worry about.

Knowledge will not change the fundamentals of how women and men are attracted to each other. To make a bad comparison: Guys who like big breasts tend to be into women with fake breasts; it doesn't even matter to them that they're NOT REAL. They still flip the same attraction switches that natural ones do.

In the world of mating, perception is reality. And attraction, in the words of David DeAngelo, is not a choice.

Yours,
Neil

PS Coming up next time: C-shaped smiles versus U-shaped smiles EXPLAINED. Yes, I've been reading your letters!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more..."saturation" concerns belie a misunderstanding of the real power (ie not pickup lines) or laziness...get off your ass and come up with some changes..adapt...overcome

8:27 AM, September 02, 2006  

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Why Orgasms Matter!

3.04.2006

posted by Donovan at 1:09 PM

Neil Strauss (Style) was down at the Mystery Method convention in Las Vegas a week or so ago, and had a question from an audience member.

His question was: "I can't seem to get a steady girlfriend, whats the problem?"

Neil question: "Is she having regular orgasms?"

The importance of this is profound.

Women will go elsewhere if their not receiving pleasure from you. If you don't know how... you need to learn. Much like the game of seduction / attraction, we all started from scratch in many cases.

Neil theorized that the major reason why women leave men, is that they aren't being sexually statisfied and that contributes to a total lack of attraction.

From ABC News recently:
"A recent study concluded that almost half the adult women in America are not happy with their sex lives and they don't know why. Many are too embarrassed to talk about it with their partners, or to get help.

But more and more women are finally beginning to admit to an awful feeling they've avoided discussing. Sex isn't enjoyable for them."

Women need orgasms!!

So...

If you need help in this area, a brand new manual "Secrets of Orgasms" just got released that could give you the help you need. Get that woman addicted to you!

Like Mystery says: "One funny joke from a comedian and IT'S funny, three or more and HE's funny." Same with sex.

Get pleasure from giving pleasure!

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Blogger viva las vegas said...

Finally.
from: *female*- yes the "OTHER"
I went on the toplair.com web site (Tampa/Orlando guys of the straussian persuasion) and created a ruckus. It seems that suggesting that what they have always called "done deal" is really not out of the starting gate. That there is a darker side of the female passion begging to be touched. Not many men are even remotely attempting this, thus the "not happy with sex lives and DON'T KNOW WHY". Don't know why is because there are too many partners out there seeing goals and forgetting the ride. I'm not talking basic "not enough foreplay" here, I'm talking something more radical, and yet not quite the "gimp outfit". For me it's mental. It's power struggle. It's playing games with the rules. I can't claim to speak for all women, just myself. I've had my experiences, and usually kept a diary which included descriptions, inspiration, prose, fantasies- I have ruminated on each experience for pages, or for a paragraph. And, I'm older than most of them- by probably 15 years. Experience both tempers and arouses. I guess that when you realize that there isn't as much time as when you were in your 20's (older =professional, works more hours, has house, reads, etc, as opposed to youth=bar tab) quality becomes a bigger factor in the success of a "mission".

Anyway. Kudos to you for bringing up the subject.
Oh, yes, about the toplair.com thing- I was willing to discuss, very openly, and to learn, too. I mean, women CAN AND DO seduce men. Sometimes the guys we want are the ones who DON'T approach us, and we want to do something about that. Life's too short to wait around. make sense?

Anyway. Kudos to you for bringing up the subject.

I'm gonna get that book.
guys- are YOU?

2:51 PM, June 16, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Getting a woman into bed is the hard part (for me anyways... hence I'm reading 'attraction blogs'). Giving women orgasms however is easy. I guess I'm a 'natural' in that department.

In fact, I think it's easy enough that there's no excuse why a guy can't bring a girl to the edge, keep her there and then make her beg to be pushed over. It takes some practice but it's no major feat!

4:33 AM, July 13, 2006  

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The Reality Of The Mystery Method

2.28.2006

posted by Donovan at 6:05 PM

I went to the seminar down at Vegas over the weekend that had Mystery and Neil Strauss (Style).

Wow!

It instilled in me how much the Mystery Method really does work. If you haven't gotten the DVD's, or e-book.... It's a small price to pay for a step-by-step method for getting women of particular beauty consistently. That was my biggest realization.

This link takes you straight to a sample chapter of the Magic Bullets ebook.

Donovan

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