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Oh... Body Language 'Experts!'


posted by Donovan at 12:30 PM

I found this article in Chicago Tribune "DECODING WOMEN: Learn to read their body language".

Read this part of the article and I'll comment after:
"Specifically, women will 'show off' their personal key points, particularly by using hand gestures," Quilliam said. " . . . A palm stroking her face is a literal pointer 'look at this.'"

Decoding body language also can help a man approach a woman who is standing with a pack of friends. "All single-gender groups will tend to close ranks on a stranger, and female ones are no exception," Quilliam said. "The bigger the group, the more likely you are to get blocked out."

Don't wiggle into the group by taking over the conversation or making a grand entrance. Instead, Quilliam recommended watching the group to see which woman is talking the most. "Follow her with your eyes and head direction, then gradually add in some quiet comments that will lead the group's attention to you."

If a woman isn't interested, she won't preen, but she still might send confusing signals. "In short, she feels a bit guilty for not being interested, so she may ... [unconsciously] smile, nod, move closer, in an attempt to compensate for the fact that she's not available," Quilliam said."
Doesn't your stomach just curl with sickness at this article? I mean, sure these are true ONLY after you've done the first stages of game, but not with the initial approach.

Judge not, she simply 'knows not!'
"Specifically, women will 'show off' their personal key points, particularly by using hand gestures," Quilliam said. " . . . A palm stroking her face is a literal pointer 'look at this.'"
I've found that for the majority of men who approach girls, will not start getting IOI's till after they have run A2. This is when you generate IOI's. "A palm stroking her face is a literal pointer 'look at this'" no shit! Obviously! How often does that happen without running game? Next to never on the existence meter. After running A2-A3 you'll start to notice her body shifting towards you, her paying alot more attention, especially if you 'lock in'. But before you do that? Yeah, we all know what used to happen. 'NEXT' they say...
Don't wiggle into the group by taking over the conversation or making a grand entrance... Follow her with your eyes and head direction, then gradually add in some quiet comments that will lead the group's attention to you.
First off this is a woman giving this advice. Probably unattractive... :) With high energy girls at clubs, or even during day-game, it's always best to come in with a grand entrance with something to back it up. ALWAYS.

The group will be thinking, "WHAT THE F&$K IS HE DOING, JUST STANDING THERE?"

Have you ever tried to follow her eyes with your head direction? Yeah. Exactly. Talk about making it hard for yourself. Why not just learn the proper way, instead of these arbitrary 'signals' that seem to happen 5% of the time.

Go over to Thundercat's site, and learn from the "Art Of Approaching" e-book, he explains all about the first initial body language, style, and what you can say to generate an engaging conversation. He also talks alot about 'group theory' and how approaching groups with a grand entrance, and taking over the conversation is the BEST thing to do, but only if you do it right.

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"Killer Tips" For Meeting Women Online


posted by Donovan at 9:26 AM

I managed to rumage through my emails to find this one from David Deangelo. It answers some of the questions from you that I've been getting about the Meeting Women Online program I featured... Enjoy.

I've been getting some VERY interesting feedback and questions about my Meeting Women Online program...

One of the questions that I'm getting a lot is:

"Do you show examples?"

The answer is YES.

In fact, let me tell you about a few of the "special features" that I include in this

First, I had a woman run an online personal ad... and then I had her SAVE ALL THE RESPONSES for the first day or so. You're going to hear ALL of them, with my comments and feedback.

In this program, you're going to see what the "competition" is up to... and you're going to learn BY EXAMPLE what to do... and what NOT to do.

This one section will absolutely change the way you think about online dating... and it will prevent you from making some HUGE mistakes that you probably would have made otherwise.

Next, I took a sample of ads that men were running online, and I TORE THEM APART... live... "no holds barred" style.

Again, you're going to learn some VERY powerful lessons. You're going to see the PATTERNS that women see. You're going to see EXACTLY what other guys are doing wrong in their profiles.

More importantly, you're going to learn, again, BY EXAMPLE, what to do and not do.

Finally, with the help of one of my very talented guest speakers, we did live "personal ad makeovers", including taking NEW PICTURES.

You'll see the difference that a little bit of time and attention can make.

By the way, let me tell you a quick story.

A few days ago, I had lunch with a friend of mine.

As it turns out, this guy works in the "entertainment industry".

Translation: He works with models and actresses.

This guy literally spends all day meeting new, interesting, beautiful women.

And guess where he goes to meet women to date?

You guessed it: ONLINE.

Why? Because he says that it's so much EASIER meeting women on dating and networking sites... because the other guys DON'T GET IT.

I have to agree.

I've personally dated some amazing women that I met online.

I'm talking models, actresses, dancers... and everything in between.

Inside this program, a panel of expert guests and I are going to teach you the secrets to using what might be the world's greatest "Dating Invention"... the internet... to get all the dates you want... without rejection.

David DeAngelo

As usual, I'd like to send you a copy to try out for a month ON ME. I'll even pay the shipping to send it to you.

If you're not getting more dates starting IMMEDIATELY, just send it back and pay nothing.

David Deangelo

I'm so convinced that this program will help you, that I'm willing to give you this "shameless bribe"... just to get you to try it.

Learn more about online dating, and meeting women online.

Your Friend,

David Deangelo

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The Game, Bigscreen Adaptation

posted by Donovan at 8:11 AM

I found an article about the release of 'The Game' movie. For a book review of The Game click here.

A bigscreen adapation of Neil Strauss' book, "The Game," will be made by Michael De Luca and the Weitz brothers.

Chris Weitz is writing the script for Columbia Pictures.

The project is based on Strauss' undercover account of a community of pickup artists -- aka AFC's or "average frustrated chumps" -- trying to bed HB's (hot babes). The guru of the group is a man named Mystery, who dispenses advice on the art of seduction using the mantra "FMAC": find, meet, attract, close.

De Luca is producing with Chris and Paul Weitz. Andrew Miano is executive producing. Join us in the forum to talk about the film. Variety hosts further information.

Weitz brothers on set of American Pie
Weitz brothers with Jason Biggs on set

Michael De Luca
Michael De Luca


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Field Report And Being Process Not Outcome Orientated


posted by Donovan at 10:49 AM

Ok, last night I ended up making out with a brunette, 5'11 HB8, which a friend told me is "so hot" with long legs, skinny waist and huge assets.

The point of this post is not only for bragging rights because I'm still feeling the effects of the night, but also to elaborate on a point Mystery made in his Vegas seminar that I attended.

Being Process Not Outcome Orientated

When running game, being cocky and funny, throwing negs, in almost EVERY part of the game before the sexual relationship you need to be process orientated not outcome orientated.

What it means...

An example of outcome orientated would be "this woman is the girl for me, she's perfect and so hot!"

An example of process orientated would be "this woman is perfect practice for my "such and such" routine!"

The problem with outcome orientated gaming is that the girl FEELS that you WANT something, and you place way to much importance on one particular situtation and outcome. This is totally sending a vibe of NEEDINESS, even if only to her subconscious self.

The beauty of process orientated gaming is that she feels no NEEDINESS because you're trying to hone and shape you're routines, gambits, and normal conversation skills.

This is what I did with the HB8 last night. I've only hung out ONCE before and that was less than 1 hour.

I texted her, "What doing?"
She replied, "Watching american idol and feeling my brain turn to mush"
Then a second or so after, "Wuter u doin?"
I texted her, "Leaving campus, can I swing on by?"
She replied, "Sure"
I texted her, "Have some food ready!"

When I arrived she gave me the best 1hr massage I've gotten in so long, and what I felt was well earned on my part! :) I returned the favor with a 10 minute rub down. A few hours passed watching TV, Conan O'Brien etc, then I made her guess which of all my items in my wallet came from Australia. I said, if you guess correctly, I'll give you a kiss.

She had detectively narrowed the choices down to two credit cards over the last 10 minutes (both of which are Australian).

Then a few minutes later, we kissed and started making out.

Alot of the conversation banter I have used with her, was cocky funny. For a cocky and funny guide, nothing beats David Deangelo's e-book. You need to come up with your own, and make it natural. Some people use cocky and funny all the time... DON'T. This is insecure behavior. Use it as a spice, sparingly for added punch and effect.

Email me with sticking points, and I'll try and discuss them in upcoming posts!


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Beware The Flakes With Today's Solution


posted by Donovan at 9:01 PM

FLAKE REMORSE: Feeling like shiz because of flaking women and your now screwed up plans.

This saturday I had two dates (day2) with two different girls. Along comes Saturday night, and both have flaked. One an hour before, the other didn't return my call. I sat on my bed, thinking, what the hell did I do wrong?! I felt like the biggest loser, when no girls were returning my last ditch efforts for a hangout.


Along comes 6:45pm. Ring Ring on my cell phone. I get a call from Ms Afternoon Flake. So This Ms Afternoon Flake is like a 9/10, beautiful, fashionable 19 year old Texan. We'll she tells me how she fell asleep and started to ramble about her day. I interrupted and said, "What are you doing right now?" She said, I'm about to get ready for a date. I exclaim, "Just out of respect for me, you should cancel that date right now and come out with me."

Suddenly, I get a call from this half-Latino 7.5/10 girl that is very forward and most likely wanting a hookup. "My mum's calling from Australia, I'm gonna have to give you a call back Ms Afternoon Flake. Right when I'm on the phone with the half-Latino, I get another call from another girl. All this at once, with nothing throughout the whole day!

I call Ms Afternoon Flake back and she said she's now on the phone with her date for tonight. She said she'd call me back in 10 minutes. I wait 30 minutes, then decide to call her. Right as I do that, she calls me. So both our calls go to our respective voicemails. I call back and we share some funny moments.

She tells me that she's cancelled her date because the guy is acting creepy and wants to "DTR" determine the relationship after 4 dates. Eg. Boyfriend/Girlfriend status. After one kiss....


Now I'm firm with her, "Ok, come over to my house you can give me a ride to my mates. You've got 15 minutes to be in your car DRIVING over here. Otherwise we will never HANG OUT EVER, we are TOO busy" She burst into laughter, "I can't believe you're talking to me like this. I'm hanging up on you!!" The line goes silent for a few moments, then we both laugh, and I said, "I knew you wouldn't!"

We hang up.

I text message her "HURRY, I'M TIMING YOU"

I get a call 10 minutes later with her outside my apartment, and I start the attraction/comfort building dialogue while we drive to my destination, and sit and park for 15 minutes.

It's amazing when all that seems lost, that if you just act cool and comfortable everything usually works out well.

I owe David DeAngelo's e-book for this Cocky & Funny approach. I defintely had enough of this girl, but rather than being mean or stupid, I acted like she OWED me now. The firm tone, and the incontrol attitude showed her that this was the way it was happening. It worked, with her responding much more positively. USE THIS SPARINGLY. (Nobody likes a bitter jerk)

Remember be fun, firm, and playful.

Till next time,
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Anonymous Ricky said...

Yeah just be firm, take a club and hit her and drag her to your cave! It always works :D

Nice article, you might add to strongen the point "It's OK to be a man."


10:54 PM, July 19, 2006  

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Meet Neil Strauss

posted by Donovan at 3:08 PM

Neil Strauss & Lisa Leveridge
Neil Strauss & Lisa Leveridge

Read my exclusive interview with Neil Strauss (Style)!

In the seduction community, Strauss is known by the pseudonym "Style." Some in the seduction community referred to Neil, based upon his reputation for picking up exceptionally beautiful women. Later, when information about upcoming release of The Game spread across the seduction community, some considered Strauss a traitor, revealing the guarded secrets to general society and thus reducing their effectiveness (this view is not shared by everyone). Strauss abandoned his pickup artist's lifestyle and settled with a long-term girlfriend Lisa Leveridge, who played in the band Hole (Courtney Love).

Neil Strauss

At the end of 2005, Strauss passed his knowledge to 5 selected followers at a three-day seminar at his California home. During the event, many legendary personalities came across to share their knowledge, including Ross Jeffries, Steve Piccus, Mystery and Hypnotica.

In The Game, Strauss tells the tale of his transformation into "Style," a pickup artist under the tutelage of Mystery a guru widely known as "the world's greatest pick up artist". The book charts two years in his life. In addition to documenting his experiences with pickup artists like Mystery and Ross Jeffries, it also describes his interactions with celebrities including Britney Spears, Tom Cruise and Courtney Love. In promoting his book, Neil appeared on various TV shows, including ABC Primetime.

Neil Strauss media and links:
Neil Strauss Gives Tour of Project Hollywood (Video)
Neil Strauss On ABC Primetime Live! (Video)
Juggler and Neil Strauss (Video)
Neil's Latest Email: The Game Remains The Same
Neil Strauss and Jessica Alba
Neil Strauss, Before and After...
The Annihilation Method -- Revealed!!
The Annihilation Method Part II
The Annihiliation Method, Part III
Can You Approach Women Like Neil Strauss, Author of "The Game" Tonight?
Neil Strauss "The Game" Sample Chapter
Book Review "The Game" by Neil Strauss
Interview with Neil Strauss author of "The Game"
"Sleep With Me" Article (2005) about Neil Strauss and "The Game"
Extremely Dangerous Knowledge by Neil Strauss
"All the right moves" Article (2005) on Neil Strauss
New York Times Article (2004) by Neil Strauss
Pickup artists unite
Neil Strauss on The View (video)


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