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Interview with Neil Strauss author of "The Game"


posted by Donovan at 2:38 PM

Have a look at this interesting interview with Neil Strauss author of "The Game : Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists". I found today on the web.

"Men's sexuality is a dark, repressed place -- and powerlessness turns into dark things"

Neil Strauss
Neil Strauss, an L.A. journalist in his mid-30s -- and author of autobiographies on metal band Motley Crue and porn star Jenna Jameson -- was a self-professed zero with women. Then, two years ago, he discovered a covert online community of international seduction masters. Fascinated, Strauss apprenticed with some of the community's top players -- men with names like Mystery, Juggler and Twotimer, who had devoted years to the art and science of picking up women. A quick study, Strauss ultimately achieved guru status in his own right, and became instrumental in the creation of Project Hollywood 2003, an L.A. facility where master seducers lived and taught their technniques to visiting students from around the world. In his new book, The Game : Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, Strauss invites readers into this secret network -- and chronicles his evolution from AFC (average frustrated chump) to MPUA (master pickup artist).

Why did you feel that you needed to go through this?
I had to go through this because men never ask for help. And they never really take a good, hard look at themselves to figure out what's broken, what's not effective, what's not working. They tend to blame the rest of the world. Going through this thing was like going to college again, but for yourself. It's an embarrassing thing to do. I was so unhappy with myself. I was living in Los Angeles, and I used to think all the time about a nose job or a chin implant or hair plugs or some kind of shoe to make me taller. But what I discovered over time is that, as long as I was well-groomed, all I needed was a personality to attract just about anyone I was interested in. I learned through the community to be happy with myself.

How sophisticated are these techniques?
It's amazing. These people are like social scientists. They field test their techniques hundreds and thousands of times. They've really figured out what you won't find in psychology research papers and previous books. Mystery's latest model, for example, has nine phases. He's charted it with graphics -- this crazy pie chart that looks like some fantastic mathmatical algorithm. It's unbelievable.

Did you ever feel creepy or manipulative pulling this stuff on women?
No, I never felt that because I think, in general, most guys on a date are trying to manipulate a woman into liking them or wanting them. That's all they're doing by paying for a dinner or pretending they want a relationship when they don't -- whatever their tactic is. This is the mentality of men. Because women are the ones in our society who make the sexual choice, men are always trying to figure out how to get them to make that choice. The good news is, it doesn't really matter. I really think all of these routines and manipulations are just a way for a guy to get his foot in the door so that if a woman connects with him, she can still choose him. If you're not compatible or you don't have someone's best interests at heart, it's just not going to happen. Women are so intuitive.

Was there one technique you found particularly effective?
Everything was so counter-intuitive. I learned that the more unavailable you make yourself, the more people would want you. The more you say 'stop touching me' or 'I'm taken' or 'you're just not my type,' the more people would actually chase you.

Can you give an example?
A small example would be -- this sounds awful to say, but it's true -- if, say I tried to kiss someone and got rejected. I found that if I just turned my head away and ignored them for about five seconds, then turn back and say the same thing, most of the time they'd then go ahead and kiss me. I could be a punishment-reward thing, or it could be that people's first reaction is no, but once they've had a moment to think about it, they think, 'Well maybe this guy's alright.'

How did this experience change the way you feel about women?
I think I used to fear women because they had this power over you to make you feel inadequate or rejected. Now, there isn't that fear and, for the first time in my life, I'm comfortable. This doesn't happen to everyone, by the way. This is just my experience. I think some guys do this and they get hurt a lot -- they see women cheating on husbands and boyfriends, so they become very distrustful of women. For some guys, it does harden them. But for me, it eliminated the fear.

Did you have any hesitation about going public with this stuff?
Yes. I've done autobiographical books with Motley Crue and Jenna Jameson -- and the number one rule is you have to be honest. You have to say everything even at the risk of looking bad because, if you're holding back, people can sense it.

What was the roughest part to actually get down on paper?
The roughest thing was to take part in the book rather than use some journalistic sheen and just talk about Mystery or something. I considered that. I considered putting out the book under another name, but I wanted to be honest and show the ugly and the beautiful and the pathetic sides of men's sexuality. It was a really dark community. Men's sexuality is a dark, repressed place and powerlessness turns into dark things.

What kind of women fall for these cheesy "openers"?
As you're hearing about it, you're thinking, 'These would never work on me.' But the scary thing is -- having been out and approached thousands and thousands of people -- it will work on just about everyone. And the smarter and more classy you are, the better it will work. A smart woman appreciates meeting someone who talks about something other than, 'How are you doing?' and 'Where are you from?' It doesn't mean you're going to sleep with this person, but it does mean you'll get into a conversation and think about it. It allows a man to at least be in the running. The success rate was unbelievably high.

What's the response been to the book so far?
It runs the gamut, and it's fascinating to me. It's the first book I've written alone, and it's about one of the most controversial subjects there is. I've never written a book where the reaction to it depends on the person. Just about every guy who's heard about it wants to hang out all the time and learn it. With women it ranges from total fascination to being totally appalled that men actually talk like this. That's what this community is, it's one big locker room.

Are you worried about getting in trouble for giving away community secrets?
I thought about that. But a lot of the openers -- and the idea of time constraints -- they were mine, things that I contributed to that world. But I think ultimately these things were becoming so widespread anyway, it's almost like they were getting overused. You met your current girlfriend, Lisa, while operating Project Hollywood.

Is that relationship still going strong?
Yeah, she just moved in yesterday. I definitely went out and did some disgusting things. But I did find love in the end, and I definitely know that if I hadn't had this confidence, and some of these techniques and experiences, there's no way I would ever have found Lisa. Or that she would've talked to me for more than five minutes.

How does Lisa feel about book?
Minus 20 pages or so, she loved it.

What have you learned about male-female relationships?
I think men really are dogs and what keeps them straight is women's high expectations. I feel like that's what I got out of it in the end. Men do have these more animal brains, cold factual brains, whereas women have these great hopes of finding that one guy and that's got its risks too. But because they believe in that guy, he often ends up living up to her hopes. Sometimes he doesn't.

Are you still involved in the seduction community?
Peripherally involved. I'll go to workshops sometimes with my girlfriend, Lisa, to help the guys feel good about themselves. The fact is, you really have a lot of sympathy for the guys who are trying to learn this because they're guys with no self-esteem and no confidence in this world.

Do you miss it?
It's funny. With the book coming out, I decided I'd go out for a night -- with Lisa's permission -- and sarge. Just to do it. I came back and I'm like, "I'm so glad I'm not doing this anymore." I just don't want to deliver these routines anymore. I needed to go through it, but I'm glad I'm out of it.

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Book Review "The Game" by Neil Strauss


posted by Donovan at 2:24 PM

Neil Strass's "The Game"

I was searching Amazon, and came across a new book, which was released on the 6th of September. I was really waiting for a book like this to come out. And finally its here and I knew nothing of it. It came out of nowhere! Needless to say I've put in my order.

Here is the author of "Art of Approaching", Thundercats review of the book...

"I received my advanced copy of the book over Labor Day weekend (since I'm in the book briefly, I was sent one early). The first thing you notice about the book is that it's not your typical hardback book as you'd expect. The cover is actually flexible and black, the pages are all edged in gold, and there's even a thin red cloth bookmark located in the spine. In short, the book looks like the typical Giddeon Bible you'd find in a hotel room. And I must say, it's quite appropriate. Move over Lay Guide, so long eBooks, "The Game : Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists" is the new bible for any man who wants to improve with women! A few chapters into this book, I realized that this wasn't going to be the "tell-all expose" I was anticipating. This is a book written by arguably one of the best seducers to ever come out of the community, and in it, he shares everything. I mean EVERYTHING.

All his teachings, all his tactics, all his theories, all his strategies are all laid bare. Through the course of the book, we start off by seeing Neil go from your Average Frustrated Chump to a full blown Ladies Man, and as he documents his progress, it's as if you're right there learning along with him. Because of this, I would go so far as to say that is book is a MUST OWN for anyone out there looking to improve with women. This isn't just a story. This is a "how-to guide." A manual on how to pick up women from the best of the best. Forget Cassanova, forget Don Juan, this is stuff that works now, in this day and age, and is applicable to modern women. Not only that, but it's all based on the tried and tested techniques of the seduction community. Neil pretty much lays out every form of teaching out there. He gives you the full Mystery Method, he shows you Speed Seduction, he explains the Juggler Method, Double Your Dating and David X style. Pretty much every major school of thought is laid bare in here, which makes it a great all-encompassing reference manual for guys who want to know what teachings are available to them.

In the book, Neil also shares posts from the private Mystery Lounge message board where some of the greats post their best stuff. This is a good way for the average guy who isn't privileged enough to be part of this private message board to see some of the advanced teachings that are shared there. Then, Neil shows you how he incorporates the best teachings from all his sources and created a system of pick-up that works for him. Another great joy in reading this book is hearing about Neil's fumbles with women before he really graduated to PUG (Pick Up Guru) status. These are often very funny, such as seducing one girl back to her hotel room only to be put off by her horribly stinky feet, or trying to get two twin sisters into bed at once by taking a bath at their place.
These moments aren't just entertaining, but anyone who's actually gone out in the field, used these tactics, and tried to get them to work can relate to the crazy things that can happen and go wrong when you're in the final stretch. Another incredibly entertaining aspect of the book comes when Neil actually BECOMES good, and is forced to deal with certain obstacles. For instance, there's a chapter in the book where Neil goes head-to-head in a "Pick-Up Showdown" with Hollywood Madame Heidi Fliess. It's incredibly entertaining to see Heidi try and cockblock Neil when he's picking up women, and in return see Neil fight back with PUA tactics that keep Heidi from turning out the girls. Then there's another celebrity showdown with actor Andy Dick, where Neil has to keep Andy from stealing his date by whipping out some massive value demonstrations to re-win the attention of his star-struck girl. Of course, this works a little TOO well when Andy Dick, so won over by Neil's tight game, actually propositions him for a little homosex action. (note: Neil politely declined)
Probably the biggest star to appear in the book is non other than Tom Cruise, who requests an interview from Neil after reading his New York Times articles about the "Pick Up Guys." Tom tries to admonish Neil for glamorizing the PUA lifestyle (which he feels responsible for because of his portrayal of Frank TJ Macke in the film Magnolia), but ironically, Neil points out that Tom Cruise isn't much different in personality than the dating gurus he had been following. This is, bar-none, one of the most complete and entertaining guides on the subject of seduction I have ever seen.

I just finished Neil Strauss'sbook and I agree with Thundercats review. The material is amazing, but I would have to say, it will not improve your game with women to the level you'll want. It's much too general. For a better guide on that checkout Art of Approaching, or Double Your Dating.

Buy online: The Game : Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists


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Anonymous King Matty said...

Good review. I'm going to check out Thundercats Art of Approaching, he did a killer review.

12:52 PM, October 15, 2005  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice review.

5:37 PM, November 02, 2005  
Anonymous The Game said...

A great review, as usual from attraction chronicles, of a book that really took pick-up mainstream. Some readers might complain about this and being "found out", but that's not a concern when you pay attention to the fundamentals Neil shares in the book.

7:59 AM, March 22, 2010  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you're a loser for not seeing what this book really is - a cautionary tale. did you even read the ending?!?

11:16 AM, April 06, 2010  

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posted by Donovan at 6:44 PM

Welcome, to "The Attraction Chronicles".

My name is Donovan, I created this blog as a way to encourage discussion and trading thoughts within the PUA (Pick Up Artists) community. Most of my knowledge has come from personal experience, David DeAngelo products, and a variety of other sources.

I do HIGHLY RECOMMEND their material, because it has changed my life. I created this to stimulate discussion. I wish for an exchange of ideas and the freedom to express our concerns, and compliments, and EXPERIENCES on various topics.

I want to know how people do with this stuff.

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Blogger The Dummy said...

I'm a fan of The System by Doc Love, and other psychological theories on Social Proof. That alone does a great job of covering the most important things on interacting with other women. I also posted a summary of what I've learned when I put all this theory into practice:

My post

2:09 PM, September 14, 2005  

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