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Do You Doubt Social Proof?

6.14.2006

posted by Donovan at 11:02 AM

For all those guys who think its about looks, and that's what is stopping them from being successful with women. Well, look at James Blunt with... Petra Nemcova (The supermodel). Guys this dude ain't goodlooking by any standard. Sorry James.



So he's a celebrity?

Yeah. It proves a point that Mystery has talked since way back when.



Called Social Proof.

Basically, PRESELECTION.

If other women want you, the more women want you.

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Blogger Sean said...

I don't doubt it, but I know you don't need it.

There are even more powerful ways to generate attraction than social proof.

That's a start, but once you have it really down, you don't need to have women around to get more women. This guy is a musician. Musicians get girls because they are creative and passionate, and because they have irrational faith in themselves. That is the projection of confidence that attracts a girl like Petra.

I plan on talking about this at Cliffslist this summer with the story of how I walked alone through a packed strip club in Vegas on a Saturday night and used nothing but a look, my physical confidence, and just a little teasing to pull the hottest girl there off the stage and make her my girlfriend.

11:24 AM, June 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't compare a stripper to a supermodel and you can't compare a musician to a top-selling recording artist. You can't compare confidence to confidence plus fame and money.

However I see your point that most guys should work on confidence because that is easier to achieve than money and fame.

4:18 PM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger Sean said...

- You can't compare a stripper to a supermodel

I agree. Most strippers are way sexier. Although Petra is cute for a giant girl... what can I say, I don't like 'em 6 feet tall and bone thin. :-)

There may be a difference between confidence vs. confidence plus fame plus money. But I'll say this: confidence trumps all. If you have it, you don't need anything else. It won't hurt to have the other things, but you don't need them.

I know a lot of guys with money and a lot of guys with fame who are really unhappy with their choices with women. But every guy I know who is, for lack of a better phrase, irrationally confident (meaning, he's more confident than you think logically he would be) is very happy with the women in his life.

So that's all I need to know.

5:56 PM, June 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Strippers are sexier if you prefer a chick who is uneducated, a single parent, works a dead-end job, a substance abuser, emotionally unstable, and has no money left at the end of the week.

No, confidence does not trump all. Wealth and fame trumps all.

You cannot fake a home in the Hollywood Hills, a Ferrari, personal assistants, groupies, and not having to work a day in your life, unless you are an illusionist like Mystery :). However the average AFC can FAKE confidence if necessary.

Which is why I agree that the average AFC should forget about wealth and fame and go for confidence. He may not get supermodels but he should be more than happy if he gets strippers and such with his confidence.

9:24 AM, June 16, 2006  
Blogger Sean said...

This is a great conversation, because it makes me think about the things I *think* I know.

IME, wealth and fame are an advantage because they get you availability. But past that, you still need confidence to get the girl. It's like the wealth and fame get you in the door and get you the job interview, whereas other more qualified guys may not be able to get in the building, but you still need to have the stuff.

With few gold-digging exceptions (and these are not the girls anyone really wants anyways), girls look for confidence much more than fame or wealth. They will always take a guy who makes them feel good over a guy who can give them stuff or get them in places. Now, if getting stuff or getting in places makes her feel good, then that counts.

But there's a reason Bill Gates was never a super-pimp. There's a reason Paul Allen isn't crying "would someone tell these ho's to back the f* off!"

And there's a reason Kevin Federline got Britney (before she turned into the white-trash barefoot momma we all feared as kids).

Why? He had no money. No fame. No career. Two kids with another woman.

But he had CONFIDENCE. Still does. Call him an asshole if you want, but you got to respect the game. He got the girl every guy in America wanted, and turned her into his sugar momma.

And all because he had availability (he met her at a club where they had a friend in common), and total, stupid confidence. Not fake confidence.

That's my theory.

And btw, exotic dancers may tend to be crazy, but until you date some models, don't be so sure they represent the paragon of sanity and stability either. I've dated some, and have to say, that job may create the most unstable people I've ever met. Just take a look at Kate Moss.

And I'm still sticking with my assertion that supermodels are way too thin, and don't really do it for me. Except for Adriana Lima, I can't name one who's got any kind of booty that provides the kind of padding a man like me looks for in a girl. :-)

Give me the curves any day, playa!

10:47 AM, June 16, 2006  
Anonymous toneo said...

Great postings.

Just my 2 cents. Confidence can get you hot babes even when you're a nobody.

I was able to pull a hot babe who was married to a well known actor. She was about 20 years younger than her husband.

I approached the couple and said, "Hey."

That's all it took.

Next thing I know the SHW (super hot wife) started talking to me, discreetly touching me and then she gave me her email while her hubby was a few feet away.

It took a few seconds to realize what was going on and when I did, I was like WTF?

Anyway, I didn't follow thru cause, I don't get involved with a married woman. But damn she was hot.

So... in my humble opinion, you can go a long way with confidence.

BTW, I am not rich, or good looking, just an average t-shirt and jeans guy with tons of confidence.

4:40 AM, June 18, 2006  
Blogger The Spitkicker said...

I'm with sean.

This isn't as much about social proof as it is about his identity. Who he is.

Social proof is great, it builds attraction. But it doesn't get you through relationships.

There's something about James Blunt that Petra finds incredibly sexy...and gasp..it might just be his personality..

4:36 PM, June 22, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

I dont doubt personality is MOST important, if I did, I wouldn't have a chance with any girl.

However, in this case, we shall see how long it lasts. I think the attraction was because of his social proof... If it ends quickly it should prove that it was mostly because of social proofing :) EVERY girl loves this guy's lame song.

7:28 AM, June 23, 2006  

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Lance Mason on Radio

6.13.2006

posted by Donovan at 12:30 PM

Lance Mason from Pickup101 was on Armstrong & Getty. It's a San Francisco based radio show.

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Neil Strauss (Seduction Master's Interview)

6.12.2006

posted by Donovan at 10:29 AM

Seduction Masters Interview

Neil hardly ever does email interviews, and has turned down multiple requests from big time newspapers. This is a special treat for you avid Attraction Chronicles readers. Enjoy! =)

Donovan


Neil Strauss


Thanks for doing this interview Neil. With all that's been written and the media exposure of 'The Game', it seems pointless to ask you the typical PUA questions. So I have some others.

First off, why did you choose writing as a profession, and especially writing about culture?

It was an accident. It happened like a snowball rolling a hill. I think everyone always gets asked “Did you always want to be a writer/fireman/cook/blogger?” And when you're young you want to be EVERYTHING. You make up your own radio and TV shows, you play with fire engines, you want to be a farmer, you go to work with a dad. So, in short, I suppose I could have just as easily been a farmer or a fire fighter. I learn quickly.

Tell me about the Stylelife Challenge that you're doing.

I started a mailing list when the book came out at my www.neilstrauss.com website. And since then, I've gotten thousands upon thousands of really moving emails that I just don't have the time to answer. So I thought it would be cool before I dove into the next book to spend 31 days helping the guys who need it most: the guys getting out of rough relationships, the 25-year-olds who've never had sex or a girlfriend, the people who are just petrified at the thought of talking to a woman. The event is going to take place from July 1 to July 31, and the challenge is for them to get a date in that time following the instructions and assignments I give them. It's kind of a thank-you present to my VIP list for being really fucking cool and supportive and open.

You told us in 'The Game' that you had help from Steve Piccus, and his mate. How did that impact your self-esteem/outlook?

A lot of people ask me that. I think the hypnosis and deep inner-game work is something you should do AFTER getting social experience. You need to get out there and interact in order to identify what your internal sticking points are. Then, once they're identified, you can take the steps necessary to fix them. The more specifically you can pinpoint your problems, the more accurately you can defeat and overcome them. I definitely think Steve gave me a huge leap forward in terms of feeling worthiness and letting go of fear. I still vividly remember spending all those hours with my eyes closed and him telling me to imagine crazy things, many of which involved excrement for some reason.

What is your favorite song on your iPod right now?

"Sargin" by DJ Dave and Turkish. They read The Game and made this hip-hop track. It's on my Myspace profile (www.myspace.com/neilstrauss).

If you were entering the community, what specific methods would you use to get to where you are now?

There's one chief rule for improving: hang out with someone who's better than you. They don't have to be the best, just better. I think guys wring their hands too much over “choosing” a method. Just try everything (most of it's free online) and do what works for you. Immediately get started with SOMETHING, rather than standing at the deadly precipice of indecision. You can only learn from it, and it will eventually lead you to what's right for you.

We try and stay positive with all aspects of our lives. But no matter the circumstances, there are some things we wish we could change atleast to a small degree. Do you have any regrets about finding the community?

Of course I have no regret about finding the community, because in the end it made me a much better, happier person. I think the community should be like college for guys: you stay in it for a few years, then move into the real world with the tools to succeed. I think it only gets counter-productive only when people spend more time gossiping or trying to impress each other than actually improving themselves.

If a guy was looking to establish an exclusive relationship, where should he focus his time? On club, day, or talk show game?

Definitely talk show game.

Actually, game to me is just for courtship and attraction. Whether you're looking for a one-night stand or marriage, they all begin the same way - with two strangers meeting.

We know that being friends with 'naturals' increases our social skills, helps us meet more women within their social circle, and improves our ability to attract naturally. What steps do you recommend for befriending naturals that we come into contact with?

The best way to befriend a natural is to let him know that by hanging out with you, he can meet even more women. Game respects game.

I believe one of the biggest problems that guys have, is that they're genuinely not interesting, and/or don't have fun. What are some activities they could take up that would help them develop a more interesting lifestyle/attitude?

Good point. I always tell guys that the best way to meet women is to have something better than meeting women Every guy NEEDS to be doing something physical a few times a week - whether it's working out, surfing, jogging, a sport, or a martial art. Traveling is also a key to become a deeper, richer person. But the most important thing is…not being self-conscious, because deep inside, we all know we're interesting. Some of us are just uncomfortable sharing that side of themselves with strangers because they're worried that they'll be judged.

If you could live in any city/town/country in the world, politics, calamities, lover, and family aside, where would it be?

I haven't found that place yet. But the three trips I'd most like to take that I haven't done yet are New Zealand, Cuba, and a road trip across Russia.

It's amazing to most of us that even some celebrities that you've talked briefly about have trouble attracting women into relationships. Of these, what in your opinion is the main reason some celebrities aren't successful getting stable, beautiful, interesting women?

Here's the thing: Almost every famous person I know can only choose from among the women who approach them. If they see a woman they're attracted to, most of them don't know how to break the ice. Or if they do, their way of accomplishing it is to send their manager or bodyguard over to say, “So-and-so would like to meet you”

In addition, a lot of them get LMR, with these types of women, because she'll start asking them if they do this with all the girls. Some celebrities I've talked to actually have routines to deal with this - and they're not unlike the community's LMR routines.

What I'm more interested in is the women who end up dating these celebrities. I'll see some on the arm of a different famous guy every night. I'd like to learn more about THEIR game.

When you want to escape the demands of being a best-selling author and quasi-celebrity figure, what do you do?

Feeding pigeons in the park, standing on street corners and shouting obscenities at passers-by, and sometimes even loading in a no-loading zone.

Many guys seem to have a problem with Day2's and getting women out there at times (possibly because of no idea what to do). Could you give some interesting examples of your most successful Day2 activities?

Every Sunday when I was actively sarging, I'd map out my nightly activities for the week. This way, when I met someone I was interested in, I could invite her to tag along to the appropriate event or meal or shopping expedition or night out. Some guys do one-on-one coffee dates, but I prefer to bring her out in a small, fun group, so that after a few hours we yearn to break away and be alone together.

What has been your favorite film at the cinemas within the last 3 months?

The last great movie I saw was older than that. It was the documentary "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room." It's chilling.

What guys from the community are you still close friends with?

I'm still close with a handful of great guys, and in communication with most others. I'll always treasure the bonds I made. I really have a lot of gratitude, respect, and love for every single person in the book.

Thanks, we look forward to your continued influence in the community!

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posted by Donovan at 10:29 AM Dating Advice for Men

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys Rock!

8:47 AM, June 13, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

www.myspace.com/neilstrauss

^^^

This is obviously NOT the myspace of Neil.
How about checking this BEFORE posting an article???

4:19 AM, June 15, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

That's the address that Neil typed in his interview in the EMAIL he sent to me. Maybe he forgot his own myspace account, or more likely, your WRONG.

9:43 AM, June 15, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that if it is his account he doesnt maintain it but reather his publisher does.

1:17 PM, June 17, 2006  
Blogger dick mcqueen said...

the profile's set to private. an odd choice in my opinion.

4:39 AM, June 20, 2006  
Blogger Donovan said...

I didnt know, I'm his friend.

Try adding him.

8:34 AM, June 20, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a great interview, Donovan. Your questions are very interesting and it's good to see that you don't fall down to the questiontrap many others does. Keep it up!

7:36 AM, September 02, 2006  

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