Joe's Hidden Pickup Video
8.17.2006
posted by Donovan at 9:47 AMSomeone emailed me this link to YouTube. I thought it was interesting, check it out.
This is Joe from Pickup101, as any sane person can tell from the video.
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he was okay I like the frame, yes she enjoy the conversations, but he could have cold read alittle more and leave a great an impression, she wnt her own cloth line so, I would have said " I can tell i knew you have this sense of style " then play off her passion. but overall good normal vibing Goodwork
Love it... classic non-chalant pickup. Notice how she remarks that no one has ever said that to her before (or something along those lines).. that's because most guys don't even have the balls to do that! Just by doing it, he was already more attractive than the average guy and didn't have to do much beyond vibing and rapport.
I can't believe guys pay $1800 for that crap. He asked lots of questions as if he were in AFC pickup mode.
Anyone with balls and a little confidence can compliment a girl, ask AFC questions, and collect phone numbers all day. However we all know most of those 5 minute #closes are useless wood.
"Anyone with balls and a little confidence can compliment a girl, ask AFC questions, and collect phone numbers all day'
Can you use direct that way? Its true that questions were typical. How you would lead conversation??
Good points. Fight Fight!
Although Anonymous Number 3, most guys don't have that much confidence. It's not about WHAT you say, it's how you LEAD the converstaion and HOW you do it. I agree though, too many questions and you've got yourself an AFC.
And yeah, those 5 minute closes are useless, typically.
Question for Anonymous 3...
What is a direct pickup supposed to look like?
I took the Pu101 AoR class and they taught us to just vibe after you go direct. They said that attraction usually happens right away (if at all) when you go direct. It looked like he was talking fast, but he also was trying to talk about passions, which I wouldn't say most AFC's talk about. She changed the conversation to something more shallow like what kind of music he played. So his bad for not directing it back to something deeper; like what they're passionate about in life. But the fact that she gave her phone number meant he at least attracted her. Personally, I think he messed up because he didn't stay in the set long enough or get into deep enough rapport. Good example though.
Direct compliment opener in a coffee shop, talking about her "passions", and closing with "I'd like to continue this conversation some other time". These are basic elements taught in... [drum roll, please] Speed Seduction.
It's 2006 and these $1800 "gurus" are rehashing Ross Jeffries's teachings from 10 years ago and doing a poor job at it too. Too bad RJ lost lots of credibility by being a delusional megalomaniac.
The "guru" in the vid kept asking questions because he couldn't ad lib off what she was giving him. He couldn't even tell an interesting story about himself other than "I play in a band" period.
You need to get a refund from PU101 if "vibing" means asking a girl 10 questions in a row. Do a search for concepts like elicitation of value and putting in state.
Direct pickup means opening directly, followed by no more than a few questions, a joke or 2 to get her laughing, weaving interesting, emotional stories that riff off her responses and put her into state, and then instant-dating.
That is what SS teaches, what naturals do, and what every real PUA does.
None of the artful storytelling, flirting, and putting the girl in state were present in this video. All I saw was some guy fumbling around with AFC questions, trying to do SS, and getting a #. Anyone with a shred of experience knows that is not what gets you laid.
For $1800, you should be taught by someone who can play solid game. Although it is called Art of Rapport, not Art of Actually Getting Laid.
Anon 3
i thought it was a good demo that most guys could not do period. i think the girl gave him a lot of leeway as well. And when he calls, i also see the girl not getting very excited about him and maybe deciding to let the call go to VM.
i don't know if PU should be nonchalant. You're sweeping a girl off her feet. She is in state. The end result is her chasing you.
Maybe this guy's nightgame is better? His video at the end showing him with a lot of night photos. How many of those were daytime pickups?
I think instead of explaining all the mistakes this guy did, you should make your own to show us how it's done. It's easier to talk about how someone else messed up, than actually do it and then compare. So I am challenging you anonymous bloggers, to post up your own video and demonstrate how it's done.
This is a really boring conversation actually. I'm surprised you guys are
that impressed by it.
Here's the mistakes at minute intervals. Hope that helps.
1. 2:03 --> He asks for her permission to sit down. Typically, you say stuff
like, "This has been a really interesting day, get this....." and then sit
down.
2. 2:49 --> He's justifying his actions again by saying..."you know I had to
come over and say Hi." He said that before. A 10 would've shot him down long
before this.
3. 2:57 --> When you go back to a thread that was cut off or closed. It's
called Trying for Rapport. See how bad the pause seems when he says, "...so
fashion?"...
4. 3:14 --> instead of pushing in with more questions, he should've said, "o
mi god! That is so awesome. I can totally use you to design nice clothes for
me. I am very fashion savvy, with all modesty....but I need something that's
got a more personal touch..."
5. 3:18 --> (notice how he keeps on repeating "THAT's AWESOME" again and
again. Sign of nervousness. Lack of stuff to say).
6. 3:46 --> (she has a shitty laughter. Kinda reminds me of Janice from the
TV show FRIENDS. I am guessing she's a 6.5 to 7)
7. 3:56 --> (the guy has a serious issue that 90% of Americans have. He
keeps on using the word LIKE again and again).
8. 4:31 --> (she says "She's never got a chance to see it" and he cuts it
off by asking "Have you been to parkside?") He should've just asked her
"Why? Are you someone very important?" etc. and tease her.
9. 4:51--> (at this point the usage of the word LIKE is really ticking me
off) :)
10. 4:55 -->The other set of words I hate him use is "Good times" It's
instilling the belief that when he says that, he's contemplating a close.
Horrible in my opinion.
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any chance we'll ever see this video again?
it got removed from youtube.
can someone pls upload it again or upload it elsewhere?
thanks in advance.
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